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Re: <nettime> "in association with nettime.org"
     "martin hardie" <martin.hardie@gmail.com>
     John Hopkins <jhopkins@commspeed.net>

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Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 15:55:31 +0100
From: "martin hardie" <martin.hardie@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: <nettime> "in association with nettime.org"

netime by poll???

a nettime poll tax?

On 11/29/06, Florian Cramer <fc-nettime@plaintext.cc> wrote:

> Am Mittwoch, 29. November 2006 um 06:09:10 Uhr (+0100) schrieb Geert
> Lovink:
>
> > > A one-day conference in association with nettime.org <www.nettime.org>
> > > which explores the geographical and social structures of workers in
> > > the Creative Industries and particularly the New Media sector
>
> How can a conference be made "in association with nettime.org" without
> any poll on the list? All the more when it perpetuates that terribly
> stupid meme of the "Creative Industries"? Or is this event a fraud and
> refers to nettime without any authorization?
>
> It it time for some tactical media use of ubermorgen.com's "Injunction
> Generator" against the organizers of that event?
 <...>

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Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 12:18:12 -0700
From: John Hopkins <jhopkins@commspeed.net>
Subject: Re: <nettime> "in association with nettime.org"

>  CYBERSALON @ THE DANA CENTRE
>  DIGITAL WORK & CREATIVE MAPPING
>  The Science Museum's Dana Centre, 165 Queen's Gate, South Kensington,
>  London SW7 5HE <www.danacentre.org.uk>
>  Date: March 07 - to be announced
>  Cost: Cost and booking details to be announced
>  Nearest tubes: South Kensington/Gloucester Road

On the front page of the Dana Center "The Dana Center is sexing up 
science for the masses"

sheesh!

And I find no mention of this project in the calendar for March 2007.

>  > > A one-day conference in association with nettime.org <www.nettime.org>
>>  > which explores the geographical and social structures of workers in
>>  > the Creative Industries and particularly the New Media sector


at one level -- as an individual who doesn't often identify myself as 
a 'nettimer', more simply a participant in the nettime network -- who 
cares?

although it would be interesting to know WHO exactly from nettime is 
facilitating this 'association.'

on the other hand it could be interpreted as a cheap tactic of career 
promotion of an individual climber.

what about insisting that there be a public synchronous forum 
available to nettime 'associatess' to actually input into the 
conference space...


>How can a conference be made "in association with nettime.org" without
>any poll on the list? All the more when it perpetuates that terribly
>stupid meme of the "Creative Industries"? Or is this event a fraud and
>refers to nettime without any authorization?

good questions.  I believe we are entitled to answers!

Cheers
John

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